That's not unfair; it's unfortunate that the character was cheapened in that way. Although, at least the writers didn't treat Seven the same way the costumers did. Another issue with VOY: When the writers aim for sentimentality, it becomes saccharine to the point of falling apart in your hands. Exhibit A, S7E12 "Lineage": I'm not convinced the script wasn't stolen from a soap opera filming nearby.
Easily the single worst episode of the series. S5E23 "" isn't much better. I certainly don't want narrative bereft of sentiment, but there has to be a balance. And too often, VOY came down heavily on one side, to its detriment. And one more thing: There's not a whole lot of follow-through in VOY. Sure, characters mention things that happened in previous episodes, and character arcs progress over the course of the series, and there are recurring villains.
But I'm talking about plot points that come back to haunt the crew further in the series, actions that bear consequences years later. It just doesn't happen here. Much like the series finale, where the ramifications of everything therein aren't even broached. To that point--Voyager as a series felt very episodic. That's a sharp contrast with the original series, which was something new every week. Less specifically, there's one more broader complaint of VOY I understand, but which I don't carry for reasons I'll get into.
Holodeck episodes. Antagonists that defy suspension of disbelief. Time travel. Family episodes. Those moments of overly sentimental tripe? The focused attention on cast members, putting the ensemble in the back seat?
TNG did it. So did DS9. Holodeck episodes, plots that defy suspension of disbelief, one person saves the day, mundane activities, time travel, family; missed connections, sentimentality, focus on crew members. All of it. Who can forget the time Beverly Crusher fell in love with a ghost?
Or the Seven-esque jumpsuit that Troi wore for 4 seasons? The DS9 crew playing baseball? The day Data learned to dance. The DS9 crew pulling a heist on a holographic casino, or Odo confessing his love to Nerys. Worf in the Old West. It became a lot easier to like Voyager when I realized I didn't have a specific reason to dislike it.
And I can't entirely place my finger on why. The cast are all quite good, there's no faulting them. So what gives? It's not as endearing, it doesn't strike the same chords, it isn't remembered as fondly. Why is that? The best answer I can give--personal opinion--is that VOY never found its voice. Consider TNG. Consider DS9.
At their best, they were Very Serious Shows, expertly crafted narratives that made one think. So what of VOY? Strong cast, with characters in a definite hierarchy who nevertheless interacted more like family than crewmates or friends. Plenty of sci-fi tropes, but only in service to the narrative. A story to tell, but not the focus per se. Hints at bigger questions, but rarely probed deeply.
VOY as a series had things to say and do, but it never quite seemed to truly say or do the things it really wanted to. Before it could, it was time to move on to the next episode. One of the things that struck me about VOY was how the ship faced multiple threats as it traversed across the Delta Quadrant.
Antagonists that they faced in one season didn't necessarily show up in the next because, hey, they'd moved beyond that region of space. As I think about it, it's almost as though that narrative thrust was woven into the very construction of the series. Constantly moving from one thing to the next, never really giving time to develop anything in particular.
But even as the type of plot varied sometimes in those series from one week to the next, there was largely a distinct unity of vision to them that kept the whole together despite its varied parts.
For all the things that VOY shares in common with its predecessors, a unity of vision within the series wasn't one of them. Maybe that's not a bad thing. But only if you've never seen any other Star Trek series can you watch VOY without bearing the legacy of its precursors in mind.
It may sound like I'm trashing VOY here, but that's not my intention. This is me trying to reason my way through the "why" of liking it less. But VOY had many more episodes that were absolutely stellar. And for all its faults and weaknesses, the average episode, and certainly VOY as a whole, was actually quite good. There was a time near the start of my rewatch where I said aloud, "I haven't gotten to the point where I figured out why I dislike it, but I'm sure I'll get there.
Nor can I give any reason why I ever did. People love VOY more than any other series? Okay, great. People hate VOY more than any other series? Seems a bit much, but okay. Voyager may not get or deserve the same amount of recognition, but it definitely deserves more respect than it gets.
And that's okay. I never did see any of the first two years worth, guess that means lucky me, but I did get a looksee at the next 3 or so with madame BorgJuggs and here's what I think. Has a few decent moments, say when the Scorpion guys showed up and nailed da Borgs, or when Q stops by, or when Kurtwood Smith came in and screwed around with the timelines, but over all, this show has a 'been there, done that' quality to it.
They should be so lucky to be as good as Bab5, but never mind Mulgrew, Jerie Ryan, the Doc and Neelix there aren't bad, just hand cuffed by a show that has seen its better days, has little to say and really only one way out-getting back to earth and deep sixing itself.
Paramount finally announced this winter that the next season will be the last for Voyager, and I would say about time. They really could have ended it two years ago and not lost any sleep over the decision I think, but that's me.
Paramount really should just leave well enough alone and not try any new Trek series for about 5 years, at least. Come up with new casting, new producers, writers, Ideas, and points of view. Because while Voyager is certainly a good try, you have to know-it ain't happening, and they have pretty well sucked this here well dry, at least for the time being. My rating for this series?? Time for something else. By the time this "Star Trek" shows was unveiled, creativity had pretty much come to an end.
No progress seems to be made in the characters returning home. Kate Mulgrew is good, as is the holographic Doctor an interesting character but the rest of the cast don't convince me. As a fan since , I'm not a follower of the "any trek is good trek," because it's simply untrue. There's plenty of bad Trek and some of it starts right here. I'll recommend hunting up the Cinefantastique issues where Voyager is reviewed. The writers themselves admit the problems they had writing for certain characters.
The show didn't pick up until seven came aboard and the doctor was unleashed. Some of the problems with the show were: A Captain who never took her crews advice. Chakotay comes off as a wimp, rolling right over for Janeway. He was a Maquis? Voyager was never lost. They knew exactly where they were: 70, light years from Federation space. Why didn't the writers have some guts and have Janeway try and form a branch of the federation?
The ship. From day one to the end, it showed no damage, no sign it had even been in space. Fed tech is that good that they didn't need other than using Borg tech shortly alien tech?
And the hull shows no wear at all? Are you kidding me? The crew. Why did Harry stay an ensign for 7 years? They lost people. Why no aliens integrated into the crew. They took 4 new crew aboard. The annoying neelix, kes, 7 of 9 and Icheb. I blame Paramount for the poor first three seasons. Unlike TNG whose first two seasons were horrible-Roddenberry who was kicked upstairs and that's when the show got better wasn't there to take the rap.
Finally, the Borg. It's hard to believe that these are the Borg the fed was terrified of. One ship, thousands of light years from home, constantly outwits the Borg? The two best characters on the show were the Doctor especially when he gets his mobile emitter and Seven of Nine.
This show was far from great, but it's still better than the kelvin timeline, Discovery or Picard. Terryfan 15 July The Original Series of course is the series that started it all and The Next Generation shows that a spin off can honor the history of Star Trek. It just goes to show how much this show has become a hit Star Trek Voyager can call itself a worthy edition to Star Trek.
Plus having the story line being that the crew of the U. Voyager being lost in space and as they begin their journey home. B'Elanna Roxann Dawson , Lt. The story line in the series was a huge draw to Voyager along with the characters like Janeway who for many female fans was a possible role model Seven of Nine is the character I love the most for a strong character Doctor and Tuvok also among my other favorites in the series The series had good directors for the episodes, cool guest stars that you never would have guess would be in Star Trek also each cast member gave a strong performance Seriously do yourself a favor and watch Star Trek Voyager.
It would be unfair to say that Voyager was totally bad. It did have it's moments but they were few and far between. And I found too many of them downright annoying. I haven't watched enough of the series to remember their names but there was at least four or five in the first few episodes I couldn't stand. Not a good start to a series. I only really became interested enough to watch any episodes quite a long way in. Because the show was poorly written?
Salutations, First, the show was just poorly written. Second, a list of the common problems: 1 They would introduce major plot revelations, but never touch them again. Next week on Voyager: Long live the borg! Making sure that Star Trek does not improve- and they prove it with every episode. Reasons to like Voyager: 1 Barkley Umbran Mod Squad Staff member. I didn't "hate" Voyager at all. I just found it disappointing. From what I've been able to determine from statements by the actors and writing staff , the show had a policy - the alien characters are the focus of the show, the human characters are there to put them in contrast.
Worse, generally they chose to focus on only two of the "alien" characters. That's it, in a nutshell. They left most of the characters flat in order to act as contrast for only a couple. They had a whole cast of soild, promising character concepts, but developed only a couple of them.
The cast was made up of fine actors all, but most of them were used as window dressing. If they had used that ensemble better as they did in DS9, for example I could look past most of the other minor flaws. RatPunk First Post. Re: Because the show was poorly written? Click to expand JacktheRabbit Explorer. What to hate about Voyager. Poor premise. FAr from home but stopping every second to screw with the neighbors.
The worlds most pathetic vulcan. Is this a starship or an orphage for every dumb alien they meet without a home. What the heck kind of lame name for a ship is "Voyager" anyways? The show made the Borg dumb. The show made Q even dumber. Even as the crew took casualties you never it put a strain on keeping the ship operating.
Henry Autoexreginated. I'm not touching all the flames with a ten foot pole. However, I will touch on the most disappointing thing for me for the whole Voyager series: lack of continuity. As one poster mentioned, they would often introduce ship-shaking revelations, only to patently ignore them the next episode. I can understand airing something out-of-sequence every once in a while, but frankly there were many instances where it became ludicrous.
One notable example was Tom Paris stealing the Delta Flyer to save someone, being captured and court-martialed, and then bumped down to rank ensign. The very next week, and indeed for the rest of the season, no mention was made of this event! Only once in a later episode was he referred to as "Ensign Paris. But as a whole, it was too disjointed for me to enjoy thoroughly, and the "reset button" was too often hit for me to enjoy it.
Cor Azer First Post. I don't hate Voyager, but it's definately my least favorite Trek series. As someone else said, the lack of consistency, both in plot developments and character developments.
Certain characters weren't really touched Chakotay and Harry , and too many Paris would suddenly develop hobbies when it was important to the story. The writers never really had a firm grip of Janeway's character - they couldn't seem to decide if she was a combat captain or a diplomatic one.
And too much time travel Done well, it can be cool, but Voyager used it too often and usually, not very well. I actually really liked Voyager. I agree that there were some poorly written things with it. Watchable, interesting. Twisted Voyager get's so distorted, it's as if the set crew moved the sets around!
Parturition Paris and Neelix fight over Kes. As if that weren't bad enough, they also find a baby. Unfit for human consumption, avoid at all costs. Persistence of Vision Holodeck Malfunction. Reset Button. Tattoo Chakotay episode. Indian mysticism. Cold Fire Kes episode. End of the Caretaker story. This is the one where she impregnates herself. Resistance The crew does irrelevant things on an irrelevant planet. Not atrocious, but no reason to watch. Prototype Robots trick Torres into building more of them.
Darn those robots! Watchable, but not terribly interesting. Alliances Voyager steals an episode of Stargate and replays it almost line for line. Aliens who suck more than the Kazon are revealed. Threshold Going faster than warp 10 causes Paris and Janeway to turn into salamanders and have babies together.
Absolutely the worst episode of the Star Trek franchise ever produced to date. It's so bad that the guy who wrote it even admitted it was his worst work. It is unfit to be watched by anyone, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Meld The episode that shows why Vulcans shouldn't mind meld with serial killers. Watchable and suprisingly interesting, but you'll solve the "mystery" about 10 minutes in. Dreadnought An AI controlled cardassian missile is on course to explode a nearby planet, which it has mistaken for it's target.
A Torres episode. This episode is actually more than watchable.. Death Wish Q is in it. Riker is in it. Beginning of the Q arc. Quinn plotline is mildly interesting. Ultimately unfulfilling, but watchable. Lifesigns A great one-off Doctor character piece with romance element. Watchable, and pretty good. Investigations Neelix is the host of a morning talk show.. Deadlock Duplicate Voyagers occupy the same space.
The real Harry Kim dies and is replaced with an alternate from another dimension. Same for Naomi Wildman. Watchable, and somewhat entertaining. Innocence Tuvok is trapped on a planet. With old people.. I think you know where I'm going here: pass. The Thaw Squiggy from Laverne and Shirley is the most awful clown you could ever possibly imagine.
He's actually worse than Neelix. Awful, do not watch. Tuvix You know how the government is always trying to create super soldiers in the movies?
This episode shows you what happens when the transporter combines the annoyance of Neelix with the boredom of Tuvok. The result? The perfectly engineered most annoying character ever created for any Star Trek episode.. This episode is completely awful, and should be locked away for public safety. Just thinking about it gives me the willies, I wish I could unwatch it.
There's still hope for you! Avoid at all costs! Resolutions Janeway and Chakotay spend the entire episode thinking about humping each other, but never do. In Janeway's defense, Chakotay is a meathead.
They would make meathead children. You made the right call Chakotay. Basics, Part 1 Displaying extraordinary incompetance, Voyager is captured by the Kazon and the crew is stranded on a matte painting.. I mean a planet. Just barely watchable, and it's a season finale 2 parter, so if that adds weight for you, so be it. Season 3: 1. Basics, Part 2 Last appearance of the Kazon yay!
Death of Seska yay! Interesting performance with Suder the serial killer. In all, not terrible at all. Flashback Sulu is in it. Grace Lee Whitney is in it. Unfortunately, their parts are reset button. Nostalgia factor gives this episode extra points, but the plot is really boring. This was what Voyager came up with for the 40th anniversary. They got completely rolled by DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations". The Chute Harry Kim and Paris are trapped in an alien prison.
Will they escape before the episode ends? If you said no, you obviously haven't seen any Voyager before. The Swarm First appearance of Lewis Zimmerman. Watchable, but nothing special. Wacky Ferengi antics.
Janeway loses yet another chance to get home. Watchable, somewhat boring. Remember Torres relives an old woman's life through psychic dreams that are boring and uninteresting. Sacred Ground Janeway goes through mystic nonsense trials to save Kes. Future's End 2 part episode with the Voyager crew on Earth. Warlord Kes is taken over by a Warlord, and screams at people in her high pitched woman voice from her 5 foot tall waif body..
Do not watch. The Q and the Grey Q and Q make a baby. Watchable, but meh. Macrocosm You should only watch this episode if you have no knowledge of physics or virusses, because this episode is completely ridiculous.
I hesitate to call it "watchable" but you could probably watch it without turning it off in disgust. It's on the border. Fair Trade A Neelix episode. Does it really matter what happens? Alter Ego A girl alien stalks Tuvok. Holodeck malfunction. Coda A brain-bending hallucination reset button episode with no redeeming qualities. Less so. Integrating Maquis freedom fighters into a Starfleet crew? Making them completely identical to the rest of the crew?
Worse still, the show held the principles of the Federation — and by extension Rodenberry — as some kind of religious dogma, unwavering and immutable. The captain always had to be right, the prime directive could not be breached for any reason. It would be the beginning of a new Federation of sorts, and like so much about Voyager it was a potentially great idea, but what happened?
From then on it was clear that, unlike its predecessors, Voyager had no intention of experimenting with new ideas. It was the show that was trying the hardest to live up to the legacy of The Original Series and it never could.
Despite all this, I have never been able to bring myself to condemn Voyager. To this day I still watch the show and find pleasure in more than the prospect of being assimilated by Seven of Nine.
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