He was confused. He went into a nearby store and asked why the firemen were included in the nativity scene. She pulled a Bible out from under the counter and opened it. Look here! It says right here that 'three wise men came from afar. However, I am not an expert and I'm going to stop before I confuse or offend someone.
I'm sure you'll get more responses. As for using "fire" in music -- I wouldn't stress over it. It could almost go either way, and music is pretty flexible. English - South-East England. Same variation in accents over here too. Thanks Filsmith, I understand it's either or But I'm ready to lay aside my personal convictions for the sake of music.
The song will be sung mostly by Midwesterners and I don't want them to sabotage it because they will insist on singing two syllables where I wrote only one. If that is what will ineluctably happen, I'd rather write it the way they want it, no matter what my feelings are about it. At that point I would just go by statistics, the weak point of Democracy. PS: your German Eagle gives me chills. I hope you don't mean to be political on this forum but proudly display your German heritage.
Thanks entangledbank, I appreciate your explanation of the triphtong, I had never come across the word. It all makes sense. Last edited: Jan 30, Sparky Malarky said:.
Litkck, the thing is - and I too live in the midwestern US, so I feel on solid ground here - if you write a song giving "fire" one syllable it's probably wrong. But if you give it two distinct syllables it's also wrong. It would kind of depend on how it fits in the song, but I think only my opinion that it's better to stretch a note for an extra syllable than to stretch a word over two notes. RM1 SS said:. I've met southerners who couldn't seem to pronounce a long I if their lives depended on it: "Ah have to leave - mah house is on fahr!
I can easily think of at least three popular songs in which fire is rhymed with higher , so at least in songs, it has to be pretty common to stretch fire to two syllables. In song writing, all kinds of things are not only possible but common that might be unacceptable in regular speech.
A good point Kate. Songs often use pronunciations in a certain way in order to keep the pace of the song. The syllables may very well follow suit to however the song dictates in order to keep the pace. Thank you everybody. Last edited: Jan 31, A quick look at youtube will show Johnny Cash and "Ring of Fire" and Jerry Lee Lewis and "Great Balls of Fire" and a search under fire lyrics will pull up examples in which fire is sung as 2 syllables.
Hmmm I guess he does use two syllables in "Ring of Fire. I'll go back and reread your post. Now that I'm put together properly, I do believe I can step outside and assess the situation. If I get it right, the people who fuss over the proper number of syllables for a correct and "true" limerick, who use lists of approved and "real" rhymes are upset when the denizens of Fort Stodgy make the initial assessment that a poll regarding syllabification is real?
Though my English teachers and my diction coach will roll over in their graves, I can only say "wow! Fort Stodgy Look, you come strollin' in with yer polls at a gallup, elevatin' gimcracks to a national poetic form, and I'm from Fort Deviltakeye? If I could remember where I put my Bailey's fat ole wordbook, I'd heave it upside yer head, rhetorically. Dag nab it!
Fort Stodgy? The responses here rather sounded like that to me. I was surprised, frankly. The quiz was lighthearted , for heaven's sake! And, fun! How can we say some post is a waste of time when much of what we do is fun. Is 6-Letters a waste of time?
Or the Anagram game or whatever it's called now? Or the Bluffing game? What about all our beer posts? Or our jokes? We have fun here too. CJ, there is no need to apologize to us. I, however, apologize to you. OTOH, Jo makes a great point and funny, too! A week's debate as to whether we should use a ellipsis or an em dash, when clearly the Chicago Manual of Style says it is a matter of style?
Or, when discussing limericks , being worried if we are politically incorrect when writing about women's gonads? I keep saying to them, "These are limericks after all! Strolin: First off, thank you Caterwauler and Kalleh for taking the poll in the spirit in which it was intended. And cross-threading, there's nothing wrong with an ellipsis to indicate a pause, particularly a faltering one. You GO with your ellipsis if you want to, Kalleh! Awww, Cat, he missed you! That's probably because that naughty old CJ never posts here anymore because he is too good for us now, with his big project and all.
You and Caterwauller are relatively new to him, and he probably thought you were one and the same. Some of us miss him. I did not say it was a waste of time. I said that it wasn't really a valid poll. Like most polls I see, it tells me way more about the pollster than it does about me or my peers. I then went on to answer the poll in the only way I felt comfortable answering it on my terms. I gave the pollster the information he requested. Nor did I say that my pronunciation was the one and true holy grail RP way, thank you very much.
Other people may have had other things to say. For my time and effort I was rewarded with a snooty and peevish times two if I include youse in too Ms K. Last edited by: jheem , October 22, I said that it wasn't really a valid poll Well, then, jheem, I wasn't talking about you.
Some people did say "waste of time," though. And, really, do we ever have a valid poll here? I can't imagine how it would turn out if we polled for the presidential election! Sorry you felt that I was "snooty and peevish," but I was a little taken aback by some of the replies here. CJ was just trying to post a fun poll in his own style. We all have our individual styles here, right? That happens to be his! Look, you come strollin' in with yer polls at a gallup, elevatin' gimcracks to a national poetic form, and I'm from Fort Deviltakeye?
Now, how could anyone call our jheem "stodgy" with posts like that! You crack me up! Sorry if I offended anyone here; and, since I had better cover all my bases, Tinman, I am sorry for apologizing. I said it was a waste of time, and I still think so. CJ posted a poll and I doubt that anyone could honestly choose any one answer because of the excess baggage included in the answers. It was therefore a waste of time for CJ as he didn't get what I assume he wanted; some sort of consensus on how the word is pronounced.
It was also a waste of time for those who read the post. If CJ posted it with solely humorous intent it could be said that it was less of a waste of time, as a couple of people found it funny, but not many. Gottcha, arnie. The Churchill facies definitely fit with that post! I have always enjoyed CJ's humor. I thought the "excess baggage" was funny. However, my kids have always accused me of having a warped sense of humor I just felt a little bad for CJ.
He hadn't been here in awhile , and I was glad to see him back. Those of you who have posted with him before must admit that this post was no different from his other posts here when he used to post with us. Last edited by: Kalleh , October 22, As has been said many times previously, humour does not always cross borders and this seems especially true in the case of US and UK humour - we even spell the word differently for goodness' sake!
I have found myself in trouble many times for posting a British-style joke on a US board. To post a poll it is definitely better to leave it as a poll and to eschew any humorous adjuncts since they will always detract from the poll's value. The question that this poll needs to address is whether word such as "fire" have one syllable and a pure vowel sound "fahr" , one syllable with the vowel sounded as a dipthong, "fi-er or two syllables fi-yer" - as in Bugs Bunny-speak.
To me the difference lies in the stress. If the word is pronounced with the vowel as a dipthong which is how we in the UK pronounce it then it is stressed evenly and, although it has two merged vowel sounds, it has but one syllable.
The lawyers, for example, are always telling lawyer jokes. I don't buy it, Richard. Now, of course, the word in question was "admire," not "fire. Then, just pick a choice with two or three in it.
It seemed fairly easy to me. Not too good for you but, in all honesty, too busy to be posting as I had in the past. And yes, sorry Cat, I did have you confused with Caterwauller. My error and I do apologize. Definitely no slight intended since I did see and appreciate your post.
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